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PostSubject: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:19 pm

Has anyone every tried this? I was wondering if it would work if you put one after the pump and one b-4 the hose reel? Seems you would get a little more love than with one. I wanted to ask b-4 I waste my time trying it!!
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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:08 pm

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Has anyone every tried this? I was wondering if it would work if you put one after the pump and one b-4 the hose reel? Seems you would get a little more love than with one. I wanted to ask b-4 I waste my time trying it!!
If I were you, I would concentrate on getting more "Love" from your beautiful office manager.
Hey, JUST kidding, I kniw you are married.
She is a credit to your company!

I see where ya are going, create more suction ?
Problem is, the downstream injector LIMITS what the pump sees.

You just need a good chemical pump bro, and it can be used to do roofs with AND apply chems for houses, carpets, etc, etc.

My advice ?
Forget downstream

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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:34 pm

it will not work I tried it
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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:43 pm

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it will not work I tried it
Hello Mike !!!
Thanks for dropping IN Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:48 pm

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa wrote:
Spencer wrote:
Has anyone every tried this? I was wondering if it would work if you put one after the pump and one b-4 the hose reel? Seems you would get a little more love than with one. I wanted to ask b-4 I waste my time trying it!!
If I were you, I would concentrate on getting more "Love" from your beautiful office manager.
Hey, JUST kidding, I kniw you are married.
She is a credit to your company!

I see where ya are going, create more suction ?
Problem is, the downstream injector LIMITS what the pump sees.

You just need a good chemical pump bro, and it can be used to do roofs with AND apply chems for houses, carpets, etc, etc.

My advice ?
Forget downstream


The only problem I see with a chem pump is that I work by myself a lot. That would mean I would have two hoses to drag around. I hate the fact my chems are so weak from DSing though. I would probably save money on chems too. I have to re-apply quite often.
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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:59 pm

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The only problem I see with a chem pump is that I work by myself a lot. That would mean I would have two hoses to drag around. I hate the fact my chems are so weak from DSing though. I would probably save money on chems too. I have to re-apply quite often.

What surface do you need to re-apply often to?
What kind of detergents do you use with bleach?
What kind of injector are you using?
What kind of gun are you using?
Nozzles?
Is your problem with both your 8 gpm and 5gpm or just one?


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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:00 pm

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Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa wrote:
Spencer wrote:
Has anyone every tried this? I was wondering if it would work if you put one after the pump and one b-4 the hose reel? Seems you would get a little more love than with one. I wanted to ask b-4 I waste my time trying it!!
If I were you, I would concentrate on getting more "Love" from your beautiful office manager.
Hey, JUST kidding, I kniw you are married.
She is a credit to your company!

I see where ya are going, create more suction ?
Problem is, the downstream injector LIMITS what the pump sees.

You just need a good chemical pump bro, and it can be used to do roofs with AND apply chems for houses, carpets, etc, etc.

My advice ?
Forget downstream


The only problem I see with a chem pump is that I work by myself a lot. That would mean I would have two hoses to drag around. I hate the fact my chems are so weak from DSing though. I would probably save money on chems too. I have to re-apply quite often.
Spence, since a downstream injector is FIXED ratio of chemical,why not just make your Chems stronger ?
This is eassy to do with sodium hydroxide, and CAN be done with SHC too.
Call me tomorrow, left phone message ...
Or,, call me tonight ?
Chris

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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:01 pm

Mike Sullivan wrote:
Spencer wrote:


The only problem I see with a chem pump is that I work by myself a lot. That would mean I would have two hoses to drag around. I hate the fact my chems are so weak from DSing though. I would probably save money on chems too. I have to re-apply quite often.

What surface do you need to re-apply often to? What kind of injector are you using? What kind of gun are you using? Nozzles? Is your problem with both your 8 gpm and 5gpm or just one?
SMALLER downstreams better I am told zMike ?

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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:03 pm

Also depends on the gun and nozzles and of course chemical
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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:03 pm

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa wrote:
Mike Sullivan wrote:
Spencer wrote:


The only problem I see with a chem pump is that I work by myself a lot. That would mean I would have two hoses to drag around. I hate the fact my chems are so weak from DSing though. I would probably save money on chems too. I have to re-apply quite often.

What surface do you need to re-apply often to? What kind of injector are you using? What kind of gun are you using? Nozzles? Is your problem with both your 8 gpm and 5gpm or just one?
SMALLER downstreams better I am told zMike ?
Mike, I have been working a way to make SHC STRONGER !!!
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Call me sometime 813 655 8777\
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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:05 pm

Hey mike, guess what I found out today ?
COPPER hose barbs are almost total resistanmt to Hydroxide !!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:06 pm

The best gun and I mean the BEST, hands down, no comparison is the YRL-50 blue gun. 13gpm with a 13/32" ceramic ball. Draws chemical the best and with the hydraulic action gives it the best feel.

http://www.generalpump.com/PDFs/YRL50-Gun.pdf

http://www.mobicleaninc.com/?mainURL=/store/category/9xuj/Spray_Guns.html

Nozzles should be at least as big as #50 orifice size for the 8gpm.

#30 or #40 for the 5gpm.

Replacement springs for the YRL-50 are hard to find. I found one website that has them.

http://www.shopetsonline.com/Y30410851-p/y30410851.htm

Part # Y30410851


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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:12 pm

Mike Sullivan wrote:
The best gun and I mean the BEST, hands down, no comparison is the YRL-50 blue gun. 13gpm with a 13/32" ceramic ball. Draws chemical the best and has the best feel.

Nozzles should be at least as big as #50 orifice size for the 8gpm.

#30 or #40 for the 5gpm.
IMAGINE Mike, being ABLE to downstream roofs ?
Since we cant increase the draw chemical ratio, we will simply make the SHC STRONGER !!!
The Apple Super Sauce shall be born.
I THINK I have it, I really do !!
Now, with ALL this freaking free time, I have time to experiment again !!!
Got word out to roofer friends, GET me some funkky shingles !!!

I shall play, and WHO knows ??

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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:25 pm

Sounds good. Best draw rate I can get is 20%.

12.5% x .20 = 2.5% Bleach

No luck as of yet with a percentage this weak on shingles for me.

Back in the good 'ol days when sodium hypochlorite was first invented it was made at 21% affraid

THAT'S SOME WICKED SHITE! You could downstream that on a roof at 4.2%
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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:37 pm

I still would rather clean roofs with the Yamada or the 12V Delavan and a good 5/8" or 3/4" 200psi hose.

Running strong bleach mixtures through hi-pressure hose eats them up, the black rubber in them deteriorates too fast.


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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:43 pm

Mike Sullivan wrote:
Spencer wrote:


The only problem I see with a chem pump is that I work by myself a lot. That would mean I would have two hoses to drag around. I hate the fact my chems are so weak from DSing though. I would probably save money on chems too. I have to re-apply quite often.

What surface do you need to re-apply often to?
What kind of detergents do you use with bleach?
What kind of injector are you using?
What kind of gun are you using?
Nozzles?
Is your problem with both your 8 gpm and 5gpm or just one?

Mike I get 10.5%sh down here and use a 20% general pump injector

I use a cheap gun, I think it is an Adams 12gpm gun.

I have used simple cherry, powerhouse, simplegreen and now I just use red grapefruit ajax. None really seem to make a difference.

It happens with both my machines. I am getting a good draw and do not dilluet my sh at all in my house wash mix.

I do use a 0030 nozzle.
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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:44 pm

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa wrote:
Spencer wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa wrote:
Spencer wrote:
Has anyone every tried this? I was wondering if it would work if you put one after the pump and one b-4 the hose reel? Seems you would get a little more love than with one. I wanted to ask b-4 I waste my time trying it!!
If I were you, I would concentrate on getting more "Love" from your beautiful office manager.
Hey, JUST kidding, I kniw you are married.
She is a credit to your company!

I see where ya are going, create more suction ?
Problem is, the downstream injector LIMITS what the pump sees.

You just need a good chemical pump bro, and it can be used to do roofs with AND apply chems for houses, carpets, etc, etc.

My advice ?
Forget downstream


The only problem I see with a chem pump is that I work by myself a lot. That would mean I would have two hoses to drag around. I hate the fact my chems are so weak from DSing though. I would probably save money on chems too. I have to re-apply quite often.
Spence, since a downstream injector is FIXED ratio of chemical,why not just make your Chems stronger ?
This is eassy to do with sodium hydroxide, and CAN be done with SHC too.
Call me tomorrow, left phone message ...
Or,, call me tonight ?
Chris


I'll Call you tomorrow!!
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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:54 pm

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Mike I get 10.5%sh down here and use a 20% general pump injector

I use a cheap gun, I think it is an Adams 12gpm gun.

I have used simple cherry, powerhouse, simplegreen and now I just use red grapefruit ajax. None really seem to make a difference.

It happens with both my machines. I am getting a good draw and do not dilluet my sh at all in my house wash mix.

I do use a 0030 nozzle.

Try the YRL-50 gun with the ceramic 13/32" ball. Simple cherry or powerhouse should work better than just dish soap. I like Emulsifier Plus from envirospec.

Use the 0050 nozzle for your 8gpm.

www.pressureparts.com is the only website I have found that sells them.

I like the general 20% hi-draw the best too. With a ceramic ball
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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:06 pm

Mike, Does the ceramic ball keep you from having to flush it out everytime or is there some other reason like corrosion resistance? What is the reason for the gun?
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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:08 pm

Mike Sullivan wrote:
I still would rather do it with the Yamada or the 12V Delavan and a good 5/8" or 3/4" 200psi hose.

Running strong bleach mixtures through hi-pressure hose eats them up, the black rubber in them deteriorates too fast.
Yeah, it eats rubber .....

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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:13 pm

The YRL-50 gun has the largest ball, 13/32" is the largest for a 3/8" size gun. It also has the best feel, with the hydraulic action.

The large openings and a larger 0050 nozzle allows for better flow, hence less back pressure, and more chemical draw.

Try it, let me know how it works.

Yes ceramic is corrosion resistant.

The YRL-50 gun comes with a stainless steel ball unfortunately. Bleach will eat it up within a year and it will start to leak like a sithe.

If you decide to try the gun order a 13/32" ceramic ball and a spare spring for backup, see the links above.

Always aggravating not having backups in the field when murphy's law kicks in.


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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:19 pm

I have gone through so many guns, I finally found one that I can stick with. All you need is spare springs and a ceramic ball.

The ceramic ball outlasts the springs, buy more springs.
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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:22 pm

Or if the gun still doesn't give you enough draw.

Use pressuretek's heavy duty ball valve with adapters to fit a stainless coupler and #50 nozzles

It's less comfortable, and not as easy to work with, but it will max out your chemical draw.

http://www.pressuretek.com/hedubava.html

Use this one. All the others I've tried are too stiff. This one is the smoothest.


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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:08 pm

Ceramic is the chit Spencer !
Toilets are made out of it.
Think about it ?
lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Double DSing   Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:26 am

One more thing Spencer, you probably know and use them already but just checking.

The 5-8gpm 2.3 orifice injector works best for 8gpm

and 3-5gpm 2.1 orifice injector works best for 5gpm
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